“Photography is a powerful tool that can be used in a very powerful way, but only if you’re committed to your ideals, if you’re committed to your passion. Not if you’re just doing something because you think that’s what everyone is going to underwrite or pay or hire you for.”

Karen Kasmauski is a photographer, director and filmmaker who produced 25 major stories for National Geographic Magazine over two decades, on topics including Human Migration, Viruses, Aging and Genetics. Most were based on ideas that she originated and proposed.

Karen’s book “NURSE: A World of Care” explores global issues facing the nursing profession and was nominated for the Pulitzer Prize. Her previous book “IMPACT: From the Front Lines of Global Health” examines the causes of infectious diseases throughout the world. Former President Jimmy Carter wrote introductions for both books. Karen was a director on the 2015 documentary film “Fall Seven Times, Get Up Eight—The Japanese War Brides” aired globally on BBC.

Karen’s travels have taken her from the rainforests of Malaysia to the megacities of India to the North Slope of Alaska. She has covered earthquakes in Japan, been arrested in Africa and exposed to radiation in Russia.

After receiving a Getty Images grant to produce a video on the struggles of an environmental nonprofit group, Karen was awarded a Knight Fellowship to study at Ohio University, where she received an MA in Visual Communication.

As an educator, Karen leads photography tours for National Geographic and other clients in locations ranging from Antarctica to New Guinea to the Galapagos. She teaches classes on video storytelling, photojournalism and news writing at George Washington University, The Corcoran School of Art and George Mason University. She frequently speaks to corporate and non-profit organizations on global health issues. Karen’s photographs have been exhibited at the United States Congress, the Centers for Disease Control, the National Academy of Sciences, Emory University and the National Geographic Society.

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On being a photographer

“I’m not an outgoing person, I’m fairly shy, and the camera gives me permission to enter people’s lives.”

“The main qualification to be a photographer is that you need to be curious about the world and the environment around you.”

“Photography needs to mean more than just recording the world. Photography needs to mean something to the photographer.”

“Photography, for me, is not about becoming famous or about becoming popular or becoming an Instagram hero. It’s about using a tool to understand the world around you. That’s what photography is for me, and photography’s a great tool to do that, because it really helps to connect you to people in a way that is usually nonthreatening.”

On working for NGOs and making a statement

“Working for an NGO is not where I go to make my statement. I am working for a client.”

On photography as a tool for change

“I’ve never had a real ego thing around my photographs, I see them as a tool in which to do what people need done, and also to tell stories that could possibly help.”

“How do we reach other people who are not the choir, who really need to have their dial moved on certain issues? How do we do that? That is a question we need to all think about and we all need to try to figure out how we can reach people who are not fellow conservationists, fellow people who think racism is bad. “

“We need to become much more ethically focused and more introspective about what we do, and we need to think about how we are using this incredibly powerful tool, which is the image.”

“The trouble with photography is that it’s not really quantitative. You don’t really know what the impact is.”

“In this day and age more than ever do we need young people to go into not just photography but writing and journalism in general.”

“Photography is a powerful tool that can be used in a very powerful way, but only if you’re committed to your ideals, if you’re committed to your passion, you know. Not if you’re just doing something because you think that’s what everyone is going to underwrite or pay or hire you for.”

On encouraging disaster porn in photography awards

“At one point you couldn’t win the World Press Award unless you had a body somewhere in the coverage.”

On finding and pitching stories

“It’s always about pitching an idea … yes, you may be good technically but you have to have an agenda, you have to have an idea, you have to have something you want to do.”

“If you are looking at those ideas they are already happening – they are already here. So, a story is something that you need coming down the road. It is a trend that is happening a year from now, or two years from now.”

“What I tell my students is, you not only have to be a good photographer, you have to be a pretty good writer.”

On the dangers of photography colonialism and stereotyping

“When people photograph poverty, they tend to make it very dark, and gloomy, and underexposed, and things like that. And people are always eating spaghetti and wearing wife beater t-shirts, and children are walking around with diapers hanging down off their pants. Yeah, there are people probably that exist like that, but for most of us who are raised in impoverished situations, that is not our story.”

“We, and our fellow photographers, and all these young people have money. We have the ability to travel. We have photography. We have a point of view that we think we want to show, and we go out there, and we use these poor people internationally to do it.”

“A lot of young photographers feel that they have to go out and get a poor impoverished African person in their portfolio.”

“I try to really get to know who I’m photographing, if I can. I try to figure out who those people are, what really defines them as people living with dignity … and try not to fall to the stereotypes.”

On the importance of collective work

“I think groups like the International League of Conservation Photographers, where you have these collective things going on where we can all work on the same cause, is really more important than individuals going out and doing it.”

 

Rena Effendi © Maria Ionova-Gribina

© Maria Ionova-Gribina

“In the media, you see events, and events have a tendency to be forgotten. You kind of look, and you forget, and I think there’s a lot more staying power if you lay down a gallery of faces.”

And staying power is what Rena Effendi achieves through a thoughtful, reflective and deliberate approach to photography, shunning the immediate gratification of the digital camera to shoot film, and in doing so, telling enduring stories from the shadows

Rena is a fellow National Geographic Creative photographer born in Baku, Azerbaijan. She grew up in the USSR, witnessing her country’s path to independence—one marred by war, political instability, and economic collapse. From the outset, Effendi focused her photography on issues of conflict, social justice, and the oil industry’s effect on people and the environment. From 2002 to 2008, Effendi followed a 1,700-kilometer pipeline through Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Turkey documenting the impact this multibillion-dollar project had on impoverished farmers, fishermen, and other citizens. This six-year journey became her first book Pipe Dreams: A Chronicle of Lives Along the Pipeline, published in 2009. The project received numerous awards, including a Getty Images Editorial grant, a Fifty Crows International Fund Award, a Magnum Foundation Caucasus Photographer Award, and a Mario Giacomelli Memorial Fund Award. In 2012, Effendi published her second monograph “Liquid Land”, where her images of Baku are paired with photographs of perished butterflies hunted by her father, a Soviet entomologist, who collected more than 30,000 butterflies in Soviet Union. “Liquid Land” punctuates the theme of fragility and environmental decay of her native city.

Over the past 10 years, Effendi has covered stories in the post-Soviet region, as well as in Turkey and Iran, including the 2008 Russia-Georgia conflict, women victims of heroin and sex trafficking in Kyrgyzstan, and the hidden lives of youth in Tehran. In 2011, she received the Prince Claus Fund Award for Cultural Development and moved to Cairo. In 2012, Effendi was short-listed for the Prix-Pictet Global Award for Photography and Sustainability, for her series documenting life of the survivors of the Chernobyl nuclear disaster. Effendi’s involvement with World Press Photo goes back to 2005, when she was a participant in the Joop Swart Masterclass. In 2012, she was a selector for, and later contributor to the organization’s Reporting Change project. In 2014 Rena Effendi won 2nd and 3rd places in Observed Portrait Stories and Observed Potrait Singles categories of the World Press Photo Contest.

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SELECT QUOTES FROM PODCAST

On guilt

“Sometimes I feel guilty. I mean, I realize that I shouldn’t, but there’s always this moment where you’re in a place and there’s a lot of despair in that place – the people, the way they live, and the circumstances in which they’ve found themselves are not good. Then you realize you’re going to walk away from there, and you will be fine and then they’re still there.”

“There’s this part of me which thinks in a way I prey upon the misery. That’s the nature of this job unfortunately. It’s the flip side in a way, because we’re paid for it. At the same time, there is no harm in it. By being there I’m not doing something bad for the people. I’m not harming the people.”

“I would not walk away from the stories just because I’m not strong enough. I think these are important stories. They need to be told.”

“When you look at a photograph that’s sad or horrific or when you look at photograph that’s full of light and happy, they all belong, they all have a right to be.”

On self doubt

“Every story, there’s always this self-doubt, “Oh my God.” I arrived in Mumbai that first day. It was pure anxiety. I was really worried. Then, you know what? The magic happens when you take the camera in your hands and you start working. Then all the stress, all anxiety, everything, it’s like meditation. Everything goes away. You’re so focused on the pictures that you can’t physically think about … Mentally, there’s no mental space to think about anything else. That is, there’s no mental space for anxiety. You can’t have it.”

“I compare it to meditation because it’s hyper focus. The way you see things when you are photographing is very different, and it’s much more concentrated focus than when you’re just walking around. You’re in a different state of being completely.”

On storytelling

“I think it’s important to go in with some kind of structure in your head of what, how you want to tell the story. Not necessarily the shots but what feelings you want to convey, what is the flow in a way, and what elements would make it into a narrative? What elements do you need to build a narrative?”

On Rena’s approach to photography

“With film I wait a lot in between, I don’t shoot. I wait and I observe, and it’s much more focused. That’s the main difference for me, the main difference in digital.”

“In the media, you see events, and events have a tendency to be forgotten. You kind of look, and you forget, and I think there’s a lot more staying power if you lay down a gallery of faces.”

“I don’t think that the gear gets between me and the subject. I think when we have a tiny camera, we are already an outsider and the subject is already looking at us like we’re space aliens. It doesn’t matter what you have in your hands, a phone or a crazy looking camera.”

On photography as a tool for change

“I try to keep an even bar of my expectation and not be too romantic about it. [Change as a result of my photographs] is not something I can predict or guarantee.”

“Social change is very important but I think also information is very important. Informing the public about these things, about these issues, about these places, is as important.”